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Yet should be omitted here, but because of meaning, not grammar. The basic structure of the sentence is : subordinate clause A Although there has to be a first time + subordinate clause B considering the significance....discipline, both dependent on the main clause we may flatter ourselves... etc

Yet and Although have the same meaning. They both mean (basically) "but" and suggest that there is an unexpected twist in the discourse. For example :
He's a terrible worker, yet they promoted him.
Although he's a terrible worker, they promoted him.

When you hear "He's a terrible worker" you expect him to be sacked. "Yet" and "Although" signal that something unexpected is about to be said.


Now here, by using "although" the writer is saying: This is the first conference but we're making history - "Although there has to be a first time.... we may flatter ourselves..." etc

Yet is a co-ordinating conjunction which links main clauses, so he could have used it instead of "although" and said : There has to be a first time, yet... we may flatter ourselves..." etc.

But by combining both he has effectively said : There has to be a first time, but considering it's significant but we're making history" - which makes no sense at all.

The real problem is not the grammar but the style, which is highly verbose and contains far too many subordinate clauses in each sentence to be read easily. So you lose track of the meaning and can't work out which bit relates to which other bit - as the writer clearly did himself.
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I've rethought this one. I think he's trying to use Although...yet as a correlative subordinator (ie one with two parts) which is possible, though fairly rare:
Although this was the first time, yet we may flatter ourselves...etc
That works. The real problem, then, is the confusion caused by piling up all those subordinate clauses and prepositional phrases, which make the sentence so difficult to follow. but I take back what I said - he did say what he intended to. It's just that by the time you get to the main clause you've lost track of the sentence structure because of it's complexity. Were he one of my students I'd make him rewrite the whole thing
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A correlative conjunction is simply one with two parts - eg "not only ...but also" / "if...then" Some are co-ordinators (not only... but also...) while others are subordinating (if...then...)
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