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MyEnglishTeacher Mar 20th, 2009 08:21 pm

What is best way to teach unborn child? in Womb
 
What is best way to teach unborn child? in Womb

sobek Mar 23rd, 2009 06:35 pm

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What??

MyEnglishTeacher Mar 23rd, 2009 07:50 pm

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Hello sobek, and thanks for your reply "What??"

I have an American English teacher, whom I believe is the best English teacher, and he is teaching unborn children, believe it or not, as he believes that unborn child can hear after certain time living in the womb, whatever is near his/her "room" in the womb, and can learn instinctively the language from his "world" into the time which, can come out and continue learning many languages.

Having said that, I still want to exchange some ideas about learning methods that can help to advance this type of teachings.!

Any feed back is much appreciated.

Thanks.

mesmark Mar 23rd, 2009 08:13 pm

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:rofl:
From the formal education I received, I learned that the inside of the womb sounds a lot like a train going by (all the time.) They believe babies are shocked by the silence after birth. If your friend is getting paid for this, that's pretty amazing.

But I guess she/he can get away with it for quite a few years because it will take several years to prove it was a waste.

How much earlier can we push education on children? :confused2:

MyEnglishTeacher Mar 23rd, 2009 10:06 pm

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oh...that's why, researchers are saying same as what I am saying, that when babies are born, they hear all equipment noises, and doctors and nurses and mothers giving birth screaming in pain! so the babies are born into a frightfully noisy room, environment...

Also Researchers are saying that inside womb, is what the babies hear from out side same as you and others outside, unless you were born near a railroad yard, and it is amazing how ignorant someone can be in his or her "formal" education... Capish?!

mesmark Mar 23rd, 2009 11:12 pm

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Well, you can certainly dismiss my opinion, much as I dismissed your friend's.

But let's just list what your friend is saying and then please point me to the study that worked on this.
1. babies can perceive and are affect by external noise (serveral studies on this)
2. that (distinct) noise can have a genetic/physical level consequence giving a child highten ability to acquire a second language

Now, I only went to pharmacy school, but from what I see, you have a very very grand study on your hands there. It would take over a decade for data collection and rigorous constraints on your control group.

I assume the research you are refering to is self-serving assumptions and not scientific data.

We do know that those who learn a second language have a hightened ability to learn other languages, but that says nothing about simple exposure to a language. Additionally, we're talking about a learned ability that translates to continued success with that framework.

However, I've been wrong before and if you could just point me in the direction of the data or group that conducted the study, I'd love to read through it.

MyEnglishTeacher Mar 23rd, 2009 11:42 pm

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Dear mesmark, You may Google it! it will be quite educational in English Relevant Art & Sciences.
You will love what you find and please let me know.

mesmark Mar 24th, 2009 12:05 am

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Google what? 'In vitro language education' ?? 'Prenatal language acquisition'??

Again, can you point me to the research? What's the name of the study? The researcher(s)?

I don't believe there is any data to be found, so I feel like I'd be searching for a ghost.

Also, this says nothing about the character of your friend. I can accept that he truely believes in this, but that doesn't make it true.

We can just agree to disagree but if there actually is data, I'd love to know about it.

sobek Mar 24th, 2009 12:20 am

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I think the person is winding you up Mark.

MyEnglishTeacher Mar 24th, 2009 12:53 am

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Google: "study shows unborn child can learn language in womb"

One of many research done on the subject:

University Of Florida Research Adds To Evidence That Unborn Children Hear 'Melody' Of Speech

mesmark Mar 24th, 2009 01:12 am

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Quote sobek (Post 20683)
I think the person is winding you up Mark.

Well, it has definitely kept me coming back for the next installment. :lol:

MyEnglishTeacher Mar 24th, 2009 01:20 am

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Welcome any time mesmark:

Here is some more:
Research|Penn State: Can babies learn in utero?

mesmark Mar 24th, 2009 01:24 am

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Quote MyEnglishTeacher (Post 20684)
Google: "study shows unborn child can learn language in womb"

One of many research done on the subject:

University Of Florida Research Adds To Evidence That Unborn Children Hear 'Melody' Of Speech

This is a report on a study of intelligibility of sound

"They implanted an electronic "pickup" inside the inner ear of a fetal sheep, then played 64 recorded sentences on a loudspeaker in the open air near the mother sheep. The sounds the pickups detected were recorded and played back to 30 human adult listeners"

The coclusion of the study:
"The listeners understood all of the sentences recorded in the open air, ... and about 30 percent of the sentences recorded in the fetal sheep's inner ear."

Nothing about enhancement of language acquisition.

I wasn't arguing that sounds couldn't be heard. It's the second point that I'm really questioning here, that language, different from the child's mother, can be acquired/learned and/or have a lasting impact on an unborn child's ability to acquire a second language.

English-coach Mar 24th, 2009 02:43 am

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I have never heard about children learning English from the womb. I have heard that some people put classical music on or soothing music on while pregnant and then after the baby is born they put the same music on. Something about creating a familiar and soothing environment for the baby. I have no concreate data on this. Just something I've heard of floating around here and there.

mesmark Mar 24th, 2009 02:56 am

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Quote MyEnglishTeacher (Post 20686)

Are you reading these articles?

"Parents who believe the womb is a child’s first classroom are the targets of prenatal learning products that play music and sound patterns to the fetus, promising to kindle cognitive development. Other parents expose their unborn children to classical music. Is there a scientific basis for this practice?"

Gilmore's answer
“It’s important to understand that, while in utero learning does indeed exist, the type of learning is quite simple,” he concludes. “There’s very little evidence of any specific thing a parent can do to affect a child’s intelligence or temperament before birth.”

MyEnglishTeacher Apr 1st, 2009 03:58 am

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"You are never too young, nor too old to learn English"

sobek Apr 1st, 2009 07:13 am

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There are limitations though

mesmark Apr 1st, 2009 09:48 am

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Quote MyEnglishTeacher (Post 20877)
"You are never too young, nor too old to learn English"

I think while seemingly unnoticed my last post sort of sums this up.

"Parents who believe the womb is a child’s first classroom are the targets of prenatal learning products ..."

Offering and teaching prenatal English classes is simply stealing from people who wish the best for their children. you are preying on a parents desire to do all they can for their child.

Sorry, to be so direct but you offer little evidence and actually offer evidence to the contrary. In my opinion, nobody should pay for such a 'course' and I don't think teachers should offer them (or they should at least be honest about the fact there is nothing that says it will make any difference.)

MyEnglishTeacher Apr 3rd, 2009 01:33 am

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MessMark! First of all the teacher is not getting paid! Capish! it is an English Teaching Experiment! and the results are promising to say the least after 3 years! Believe it or not...

Your rush to judgment and the use of strong accusations when you are neither qualified, Nor Aware of the fact enough to talk.... as you do, it only shows that you are having some serious problems! of your own intellect!

mesmark Apr 3rd, 2009 09:18 am

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Quote MyEnglishTeacher (Post 20923)
Your rush to judgment and the use of strong accusations when you are neither qualified, Nor Aware of the fact enough to talk.... as you do, it only shows that you are having some serious problems! of your own intellect!

Fair enough. For all you know, I may be stupid, but I don't believe I've left any questions unanswered, nor any of your attempts at a rebuttle unchallenged.

Basically, I feel you have made false claims that there are any benefits to invitro English lessons, if there even is such a thing. My reason for challenging such claims is simply that I don't want other readers to pop by here, read this, and believe such claims are indeed possible without actual evidence that there is said benefit.

So, if I haven't been clear about my questions, let me try again with a few new, clearly stated questions.

1. Where has this research to date been published? What journal? What have been the findings?

2. Who is funding the current research your friend has undertaken? What are the goals of the study? What are the controls?

3. If indeed your friend is conducting research and has had success over a three year period, why are you asking us for ideas on how to do this? Shouldn't you be referring to the professional journal that has published the results so far? or even your friend?

I'd appreciate some answers to the above questions before you insult my intelligence for the third time.

MyEnglishTeacher Apr 3rd, 2009 09:14 pm

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You are right! Earth is Flat and Earth is Center of Universe! and that grand inquisition was fair! and I needed to know someone like you can be so far off the base, that is good to know that still "Witches" exist in Salem and elsewhere! it is amazing that you are so "intelligent" who can not Google it! yet!!!

Eric Apr 4th, 2009 02:50 pm

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Quote MyEnglishTeacher (Post 20933)
You are right! Earth is Flat and Earth is Center of Universe! and that grand inquisition was fair! and I needed to know someone like you can be so far off the base, that is good to know that still "Witches" exist in Salem and elsewhere! it is amazing that you are so "intelligent" who can not Google it! yet!!!

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Quote mesmark (Post 20928)
1. Where has this research to date been published? What journal? What have been the findings?

2. Who is funding the current research your friend has undertaken? What are the goals of the study? What are the controls?

3. If indeed your friend is conducting research and has had success over a three year period, why are you asking us for ideas on how to do this? Shouldn't you be referring to the professional journal that has published the results so far? or even your friend?

In my opinion, these questions are quite valid.

Any reason you would rather be sarcastic instead of answering them?

English-coach Apr 4th, 2009 03:07 pm

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I don't see how this is helping anyone learn English or create a greater sense of community. Just my two cents.

mesmark Apr 4th, 2009 04:46 pm

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Quote English-coach (Post 20944)
I don't see how this is helping anyone learn English or create a greater sense of community. Just my two cents.

Yeah, I agree. I think I'm done with this. I wasn't even going to reply.


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