eslHQ Home
User Name Password
Lost Password?
View today's posts
Search Extras Help   

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 13th, 2012, 07:51 pm
eslHQ Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 11th, 2012
Posts: 53
nelson13 is on a distinguished road
Default She offered me (a) practical assistance

......

Last edited by nelson13 : Aug 31st, 2013 at 01:37 am.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 13th, 2012, 08:22 pm
eslHQ Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 11th, 2012
Posts: 53
nelson13 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

......

Last edited by nelson13 : Aug 31st, 2013 at 01:37 am.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 14th, 2012, 06:40 am
Sue
 
Join Date: Oct 8th, 2006
Location: Milan
Posts: 1,362
susan53 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

Always try and give contemporary examples. languages changes, and if your examples are more than 100 years old, the reason for the difference is just the changes in the language over time. It would make no sense to say eg Shakespeare uses "thou". Why can't I say it now? Find contemporary examples of the language point you want to ask about, otherwise you may just be wasting your time asking the question.

However, here that's not the problem. I think you need to look at the concepts being expressed.

There is no such thing as a countable or uncountable noun. Nouns may be used countably or uncountably, and many can be used both ways. So you are quite right when you say that the concept of "countability" is used to express "a type of". Some examples:

Gorgonzola and Cheddar are my favourite cheeses.
Pinot Grigio is a popular wine from the Veneto region.
She spoke with a sincerity that was moving.


In both these sentences, and your examples of bonhomie, reverence and pulchritude, you could add "type of" before the noun or noun phrase:

Gorgonzola and Cheddar are my favourite type of cheeses.
Pinot Grigio is a popular type of wine from the Veneto region.
She spoke with a type of sincerity that was moving.
There was a type of casual bonhomie between the actors at rehearsals.
I endow her with a type of pulchritude that the women I have seen do not have.
... a type of deep reverence for the poet.


Notice though, that all these examples either refer to concrete objects (cheese, wine, etc) or personal qualities or feelings (sincerity, bonhomie, pulcheritude). Assistance is neither of these, so you need at least to hypothesise that it's the semantic concept that makes the difference
Assistance is the nominalisation of a verb and refers to an action. Nominalisations are sometimes used countably, and sometimes uncountably, and many so-called uncountable nominalisations are used countably in the type of sentence you are asking about. Eg : He has an impressive knowledge of his subject.

but there are a few which only seem to be used uncountably - so if you wanted to add a determiner, it would be some :

She offered me some practical assistance...
We did some careful research into the problem.


That, I'm afraid, is as close as I can get.
__________________
An ELT Notebook
The DELTA Course
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 05:51 am
eslHQ Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 11th, 2012
Posts: 53
nelson13 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

......

Last edited by nelson13 : Aug 31st, 2013 at 01:38 am.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 06:22 am
Sue
 
Join Date: Oct 8th, 2006
Location: Milan
Posts: 1,362
susan53 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

Yes, but it's a translation of a work written in 1875, and obviously the translation will reflect the language of that time, not modern English. No contemporary writer would use the expression "endow her with a pulchritude". The style is archaic.
__________________
An ELT Notebook
The DELTA Course
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 06:40 am
eslHQ Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 11th, 2012
Posts: 53
nelson13 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

......

Last edited by nelson13 : Aug 31st, 2013 at 01:38 am.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 07:05 am
Sue
 
Join Date: Oct 8th, 2006
Location: Milan
Posts: 1,362
susan53 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

Sorry but I don't see the parallel. The two sentences are quite different in style. The Summer extract is elaborate and poetic, but contemporary English. The Faustino translation is consciously attempting to reproduce 19th century style.

And as you say - regret is an excellent example of what I said before : most abstract nouns can be used countably or uncountably.
__________________
An ELT Notebook
The DELTA Course
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 07:05 am
Sue
 
Join Date: Oct 8th, 2006
Location: Milan
Posts: 1,362
susan53 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

Sorry but I don't see the parallel. The two sentences are quite different in style. The Summer extract is elaborate and poetic, but contemporary English. The Faustino translation is consciously attempting to reproduce 19th century style.

And as you say - regret is an excellent example of what I said before : most abstract nouns can be used countably or uncountably.
__________________
An ELT Notebook
The DELTA Course
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 08:33 am
eslHQ Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 11th, 2012
Posts: 53
nelson13 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

.....

Last edited by nelson13 : Aug 31st, 2013 at 01:38 am.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 08:54 am
Sue
 
Join Date: Oct 8th, 2006
Location: Milan
Posts: 1,362
susan53 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

I've always used the Grammar of Contemporary English (Longman). my students tell me they like the Cambridge English Grammar.
__________________
An ELT Notebook
The DELTA Course
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Unread Oct 16th, 2012, 10:07 am
eslHQ Enthusiast
 
Join Date: Oct 11th, 2012
Posts: 53
nelson13 is on a distinguished road
Default Re: She offered me (a) practical assistance

......

Last edited by nelson13 : Aug 31st, 2013 at 01:38 am.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads Replies
*Public School Positions in Seoul* with full assistance and lots of benefits 0
Apply Now for *Public School Positions in Seoul* Provide full assistance 0

Only FREE Flashcards (5)
Totally FREE flashcards. Just Print & Teach!

Find the Best TEFL, TESL, TESOL & CELTA Certification Courses - User Submitted Ratings & Reviews for Online, Distance & Abroad TEFL Courses. Over 3,500 reviews of 100+ TEFL schools!

Teach English in Thailand - Onsite and Combined TEFL certification courses in Phuket, Thailand.


Free ESL Flashcards


Similar Threads Replies
*Public School Positions in Seoul* with full assistance and lots of benefits 0
Apply Now for *Public School Positions in Seoul* Provide full assistance 0


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:21 am.

All materials from this website are for classroom-use only. Digital redistribution of materials, in part or in whole, is strictly forbidden!

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2